A Conversation with Danny Akacki: Mission, Passion, and the Security Community

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Danny Akacki and Mike Murray discuss how the security industry intersects with many other communities like healthcare and ICS.

In this episode, Mike welcomes Danny Akacki, Scope’s newly appointed Director of Customer Success. Join us as they talk about how the security industry intersects with many other communities like healthcare and ICS, to name a few. These communities are full of individuals and groups very passionate and connected to the mission behind their work.

SHOW NOTES

Welcome to In Scope, the healthcare security podcast. In each episode, we bring you insightful interviews, informative technical tips, and a unique point of view on the challenges facing the ever-changing healthcare ecosystem with host, Mike Murray.

In this episode of In Scope, Mike Murray welcomes Danny Akacki, also known as rand0h. With a 10-year career in security under his belt, including roles at Mandiant, Gigamon, Iceberg, and Splunk, Danny shares his thoughts on today’s industry, complete with his trademark infectious energy.

Danny refers to his rise to Twitter-fame in healthcare security as a “pure, unadulterated accident.” By simply being himself—engaging and outgoing—Danny attended many conferences and rubbed shoulders with countless industry practitioners.

He joined Twitter in 2011, and today has over 17.4k followers. “Every day, I feel like I won the lottery,” says Danny. And it all came down, he believes, to a love for community over a paycheck of any size.

Danny has just finished attending his sixth DEF CON. He refers to these conventions as his “New Year’s,” setting the tone for the rest of his visits to the various villages that overlap with healthcare security. He enjoys meeting everyone at DEF CON, which leads to a cross-pollination of ideas that Danny says “is nothing short of magical.”

Even amid the pandemic, DEF CON organizers are able to keep that community spirit alive and well. Danny gives a shout out to Lesley Carhart of PancakesCon in particular, who was able to set up a con in only three days without sacrificing quality. In fact, she stresses that talks given at her cons be 50% technical, 50% non-technical—a key contributor to the ease with which one can build their network of practitioners of different villages at this event.

Mike concurs and adds that, while one can live out their entire career without going to a DEF CON, they would be missing out on “an entirely different way to engage” with other professionals, gaining valuable insight (in addition to a bigger rolodex) that they wouldn’t be able to acquire any other way.

Asked about the mission-oriented culture embodied by DEF CON, Danny contends that it only takes five minutes of being surrounded by fellow practitioners to know that there is a purpose that drives each and every one of them beyond money. As for Danny, his personal mission across any vertical is to “help people understand confusing things.”

“To me,” adds Mike, “if you’re going to apply your trade, you should do it in a way that makes you feel good in the morning when you wake up. You should be able to look yourself in the mirror and say, ‘More than making a great paycheck, I’m contributing to something I care about.’”

Finally, Mike welcomes Danny aboard as Scope’s new Director of Customer Success. He is excited to fulfill the company’s ultimate target for improvement which, according to Mike, “is not necessarily the health system. It’s the health system’s patients.”

TIME STAMPS

– Becoming a voice in the cybersecurity industry.

– How Mike considers the many communities that overlap with healthcare security.

– Why Mike commits himself to attending as many conventions as he can.

– The industry’s mission-driven culture.

– The importance of empathy among security practitioners.

– Danny Akacki: Scope’s new Director of Customer Success.

– How to connect with Danny.

0:00:02.7 Speaker 1: Welcome to In Scope: The Healthcare Security Podcast. Each episode, we bring you interviews, technical tips and a unique point of view on the challenges facing the ever-changing healthcare ecosystem. Here’s your host, Mike Murray.

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0:00:19.7 Mike Murray: And welcome to this week’s In Scope: The Healthcare Security Podcast. As always, I’m Mike Murray. And here we are at the beginning of 2022, and I have an exciting guest and some interesting news to report as we get through the end of the show. But today, we have with us Danny Akacki, some of you may know him on Twitter as Rando or on Twitch as Rando. Danny has been a very prominent voice and face in the industry for a while, and really excited, as we were talking about before we started recording, this is the first time he’s been on my podcast instead of me being on his. So, really excited, Danny. Welcome.

0:01:00.8 Danny Akacki: It is really weird. Normally, it’s me chasing, yo, “Mike, please come on my show, and let’s try to… ” By the way, I still gotta apologize to Wolf again ’cause we didn’t do the last one.

0:01:09.2 MM: Oh yeah, we missed that one didn’t we?

0:01:10.9 DA: We missed… The both of us, we two agreed that we didn’t have time for it, and we never told Wolf. So I’m sorry Wolf if you listen to this. [chuckle] But no, this is awesome. I’m glad to finally be in your domain, you have your own people, Phil is back there running this, I have… I’m just… I’m along for the ride here. It’s weird, and it’s awesome.

0:01:29.8 MM: Yes, it’s fun to be a guest, right? No pressure. You just get to show up and answer questions.

0:01:34.6 DA: There’s actually more pressure for me. [laughter] There’s less pressure when I am the operations and everything, because if anything happens, I’m like, “Aah, it’s my thing, I don’t care.” But if I screw up on yours, I mess your thing up.

0:01:48.1 MM: No, this is gonna be great, this is gonna be fantastic. And so, I took a note, one of the things that I wanted to talk to about, you have done something that I think a lot of people wanna do. A lot of people want to come into security and become well-known and become Twitter famous and all of that sort of thing, and you’ve done it. I mean, you’ve had a long career in security, Mandiant, Gigamon, Iceberg, all these incredible names, Splunk, all these incredible things you’ve done, and there’s lots of people that do that and don’t become a voice in the industry. How did you do it, man? How did you become that?

0:02:23.3 DA: Pure, unadulterated accident. One of favorite… Actually, not one of, my favorite story about that is, I was flying to my first DEF CON and I got on the plane in Newark, and then I ended up sitting next to another hacker. She is at “ICAN Has Pie.” She does a lot of work with Ed Skoudis and the Counter Hack, she helped to build the Counter Hack challenge. And I was literally… Like, nobody knew me. It was my first DEF CON whatever. And she goes, “Oh, you’re one of those InfoSec rock stars,” and I was like, [laughter] “I got like 20 followers, no. You’re mistaking me.” ‘Cause people mistake me for different people all the time. And fast forward now of being like, I can go… The cool part is I can go anywhere in any city and be like, “Hey, who can I hang out with?” How did I do it? Dude, I honestly, I think to not give a BS answer, and to not demure and do that false modesty thing. I think it’s just that I just grinded it out and it wasn’t even a grind, it was like, I started going to conferences, and I started engaging with people, because that’s just naturally who I am. I didn’t force it, I was like, “Oh, here’s a place where I can go talk to people.”

0:03:41.5 DA: “Oh, these people have the same sense of humor I do. They’re into the same things. I’m learning things from these people.” And I think I joined Twitter back in 2011, 2012, and fast forward to today, for some reason, that follower account says 17,000… Like, I don’t know how many of them are real, even if a third of them are real people [chuckle] and not robots. It’s cool. I say it every day, I feel like I won the lottery. And it really… Every day I wake up and I’m just so thankful that I had to have so many people to engage with, and it’s just that man, it’s being in tons of lobby cons, and having conversations and just being with people and hanging out. And then also being interested in the thing, and you have a thing to say, and maybe some other people like those things that you say and then you say more things. That’s just how it happens, man. And then all of a sudden, this is it. I love what I do, I love this whole thing. I love the community way more than any paycheck I ever got. I could go dig trenches for a living, hard manual labor as opposed to being in front of a computer screen. As long as I still had these same people that I could hang out with, it would be a good life for me.

0:05:00.5 MM: And that’s a wonderful statement. And I think that the old, “Do what you love, and you’ll never work a day in your life,” is kind of coming through in what you’re saying. So, as you were talking, something came to mind, and I think it’s really interesting how many different communities our industry has? The healthcare security community is not always the Venn diagram of the healthcare security community and the DEF CON crowd and the people who are on Twitter. There’s a lot of places where those circles don’t overlap, and I’m curious to know how you see bringing those things together and having just all these different communities in our industry?

0:05:39.3 DA: Yeah, between red team, blue team, ICS, healthcare, and all of these things, and honestly, this year will be my sixth DEF CON. And I think that that is really the linchpin. There are different schools of thought, people who are tired of DEF CON, people who are… Blah, blah. But I still see the magic in it, because for me, DEF CON is my New Years, right? I don’t like regular New Years, I think it’s boring. DEF CON is how I mark how my years go by. And this is a place that brings together in all of these villages, you have the biomed village, you have the… God, the aviation village and things like that, a whole other community doing that kind of thing. Now you have the…

0:06:28.2 MM: How about the Biohacking Village, where…

0:06:31.2 DA: The Biohacking? I have two funny stories about the Biohacking Village, which are very dear to my heart. But yeah, biohacking, which is huge, I actually saw them coming into DEF CON the last in-person one, and they were wheeling out a gurney out of the back of a truck. And I was like, “You guys need help?” And they’re like, “No, we got this, but thank you.” And they were gruff, but they were nice ’cause I think they’re having hard time getting the equipment in. And so you have these things and you go and you could just go in between, and then you have aviation people who are curious about bio-med, or who are curious about… And then you have the parties, and then you start talking to people. It is nothing short of magical. It is just the best… And so you have all these cross-pollination. We are our own happy little virus. We infect each other with our curiosity and sometimes common thread. And then you say, “Hey, I wanna do work on that, but I don’t work in that, but let’s cross-pollinate and do… ” It’s magic. It’s awesome.

0:07:32.2 DA: And then pushing out from DEF CON, the official one every year, you have all these different DEF CON groups. I have my own out here in Pennsylvania, and then there’s ones in Jersey, in Philly, in New York, and we talk to them and they come visit us, and then when I’m out somewhere, and then you have BSides. It’s this constant, constant flow, even in pandemic times where you have people being not in-person, you have all these virtual cons. You have people like Lesley Carhart in PancakesCon, spinning up a con in three days, three times to share these things and I use their con as an example, because Lesley has said, “Your talk has to be half of a tech thing and half of something non-tech whatsoever.” And then that’s how you would find common ground and be like, “Oh, this is cool. I’m gonna talk to this person.” And if you stop and think about all the different crossovers and parallels, your mind actually smokes, but it’s just a natural thing that I adore. I love it. It’s the best.

0:08:37.3 MM: The whole PancakesCon topic reminds me of how we really started in that side of the industry. I mean, if you go back to the history of the early hacking community, all the way back to the early, to mid ’90s where you really saw things like frack and these community information sharing, driving a lot of the things that eventually became that side of the security industry, whereas… And I think it’s still… For those people who came up, and by the way, just to give some context, this I think will be my 18th DEF CON, maybe my 19th.

0:09:17.7 DA: Oh my God.

0:09:17.9 MM: My first one was 2001. Just to give some age. Yeah, I’m old is really what I’m actually saying here, but the interesting thing about that part of our industry, there’s all these people that come into security today by getting a degree and going to school for it. That wasn’t a thing in the ’90s. You couldn’t go to school to become an information security professional back in the old days, and so there was this entire grassroots organization, multiple organizations, that were all about sharing information, whether they were online BBSs, whether it was things like 2600 Magazine, it was all about this community grassroots effort of educating each other and educating ourselves.

0:10:01.8 MM: And I think what you’re talking about is really that side of the industry still exists, and even though you can go your whole career without ever going to DEF CON, and I know a lot of people, especially in the Healthcare Information Security community, they don’t necessarily cross-pollinate into that sort of DEF CON, Black Hat, all that kind of world. And I think you’re missing so much if you don’t at least go a few times and meet people and really understand that community. It’s an entirely different way to engage, and I think it’s really important, and it gives you a network opportunity that you don’t have other places, like you said, I’m a big fan of what Lesley has done, and the idea of bringing in other interests creates a humanization where you can start to create relationships with those people, and it’s something that you’ve done better than almost everybody I know, is really create all these relationships with all these people across the industry, and part of it is you’re a natural extrovert, but how do you actually do it? Is it just who you are, or is it something that you actually approach and are intentional about?

0:11:12.3 DA: It’s 90%, it just ended up who I am. Early in my career before I got to security, I did regular IT stuff, which was super boring for me, ’cause I started getting very burn out really quickly, but then I got into… I was a radio DJ for about five, six years. And that’s actually, it’s funny you say like, “natural extrovert.” I used to have when I was a kid, up until I got into radio, a horrible, horrible stutter. I could not get words out. I still trip once in a while off like, W’s. W’s are my enemy. But I think once that happened and it opened up that side of me where I didn’t have to be afraid of that anymore, I’ve never stuttered one time, if a live mic was in front of me. From my very first show to now, I’ve never had a really horrible stutter doing it. So, it’s 90% who I am, and then, yeah, there are definite times where I’m like, “Hey, I heard of this person, and I really wanna meet them and figure out what they know, and they seem cool, so I’ll go out of my way to find somebody who knows them and do that.”

0:12:20.0 DA: But it just has happened of… And also, by the way, for anybody who feels like they aren’t… As my therapist has said, “You’re actually an introvert that plays a really good extrovert.” I definitely at every con for every six hours you see me out, there’s an hour up in my hotel room where I’m just like, “Okay, let’s re-charge.” No it’s… And what also helps, our community gets a lot of flack, and listen, there are jerks everywhere. It’s not unique, it’s everywhere. But those are always the edge cases that tend to speak louder than the normality, the baseline of everybody being very nice and wanting to talk, and things like that. There’s actually a really good book for people who might be listening to this and be like, “Okay, well, Danny’s natural at it. I’m not.” There’s a book called “Super Connector” that actually was referred to me by Wolf, it’s like 50/50. But it actually gives really good points of all the stuff that I actually do to go approach people and just do things. And it’s something you can learn.

0:13:34.5 DA: But yeah, it’s just normally just me, I’ve always been very like, “Hey, come talk to me.” I went to a metal show last week, none of my friends wanted to go, I was by myself and there’s thousands of people, and I ended up making 10 friends and hang out with them all night, ’cause it’s just my thing now. You can find a really common ground with a lot of people that you wouldn’t think.

0:13:56.6 MM: It’s a good skill to have too, especially in that sort of community area when you’re trying to make communities around yourself, that’s a skill you have to have. Another book in that area, oldie but goodie, there was a book by Keith Ferrazzi called “Never Eat Alone.” Goes way back to, I think, 2001 or 2002, but a book that led me down similar roads, I’m also a very practiced extrovert, but not extroverted in the least. Our ratios are opposite, you go out for six hours and hide in the hotel for one, I hide in the hotel for six hours and go out for one, so, yeah. But I know that feeling well. On that, we talked a lot before we got on the call about mission and things, I know you end up talking about careers a lot, we’ve talked about careers on your Twitch stream and stuff a bunch of times.

0:14:54.7 MM: And I wanted to kinda dig into that area of our industry and of the communities, one of the things that you see across, especially across DEF CON and across things like it, is there’s a big sense of mission. I refer to people like Nina, who runs the Biohacking Village at DEF CON, and she doesn’t get paid to do that. She does that because she loves it and ’cause she genuinely wants to fix things and she wants to make the world a better place, and I would think that that same sort of commitment is across a lot of those same… Go to any of the village’s at DEF CON, go to any of the BSide organizers and talk to them about why they do it, there’s a love there, and something that’s beyond just a paycheck, and I kinda wanted to riff on that, I know you’ve spent a lot of time with that kind of people and think about that kind of stuff a lot.

0:15:46.3 DA: Oh listen, anybody who’s been in this industry and business for more than five minutes, can see like, “Oh, my God, things are broken.” And it’s the same things that are broken all the time. I’ve been doing security proper just past 10 years back in September. And we’re still talking about the same things being broken in the same breaches, it’s enough to…

0:16:06.6 MM: Dude, I’m almost 25 years, guess what? It’s the same ones.

0:16:11.4 DA: The same thing. Same thing. And, yes, like the older heads like the U’s of the world and the Noid’s of the world who have been around since the dinosaurs, very handsome for his age. So you have to find something that makes you want to do it. And listen, we’ve had lots of conversations about it, if you only do it for a paycheck, that’s fine too, mazel tov.

0:16:32.7 MM: Right.

0:16:33.1 DA: But yes, there is that, for a lot of people, people who I would have never thought were so concerned with mission, I thought they just did it because, you know, “Hey, at first there was hacking and then a business built up around it, and what else are you gonna do?” But that, when you actually sit down and talk to them, are very passionate about that hamster wheel, they know it’s a hamster wheel, but somebody’s gotta do it, and, darn it, it’s gonna be them. And it is such a humbling and noble thing when you hear that out of somebody’s mouth, who you thought would have just been very nonchalant, and they either do it out of a sense of, “I am protecting against X bad people,” or, “I am there to help my customers or help my clients understand this thing.”

0:17:25.7 DA: My personal mission across any vertical that I’m ever in that drives me, or I’d say this would’ve driven me out a very long time ago if I didn’t have this, is that sense to help people understand confusing things. I know in my own life, if I have to hire a contractor in my house, just yesterday, for electrical stuff, I know nothing. It ended up being something very simple for $300, by the way. But I know that sense of frustration, and I know that sense of trying to find somebody to, “Please help me, I don’t get this, but I need this.” And I think that’s a universal thing that everybody experiences. This is how I get to help that, in this industry of something I just happen to understand.

0:18:06.4 DA: I got into it, I was like, “No, I get this, okay, this makes sense to me.” And I can do the translation for other people who don’t understand it, but need it, and they don’t wanna be confused by acronyms, they don’t wanna be… Felt like they’re talked down to, even if we don’t try it most times, but it ends up sounding like that. So that’s my personal mission, is that translation, is that helping, and then there’s also no small amount of ego involved. Doing what I do makes me feel good. That’s like, I do those things to get my thing, my fix, which is, on one hand, sounds selfish, but on another hand, it drives me to keep doing it for other people, because I need that fix of thinking, “Oh wow, you helped me with that.”

0:18:51.1 DA: So that’s my mission. Some people are, especially in healthcare, God, you have to believe in the mission for that, you have to want that because it’s the one industry that I always said I would always stay away from, because from just being a baby analyst, I understood. I was like, “Oh God, look at that. No.” And then I went into finance and went into retail and vendors and things like that, everything but that. But yeah, mission is a very overlooked thing and can sometimes be conflated with passion. We hear passion a lot, we hear, “You gotta be passionate about this, passionate about that.” I mean, passion and mission can be two separate things, ’cause when you hear the word “mission” you feel a duty to go do it, because it’s something that you can do, and passion, it’s just like, “I absolutely have to do this thing or I’m gonna burst.” So they can be two different things. They can also be the same thing, but yeah, if you talk to enough people, it’s surprising how many people really believe in that.

0:19:51.3 MM: Yeah, and I think, I live it every day. We talk about the mission at Scope, constantly, where we are all pretty passionate about going out and fixing healthcare through the lens of information security. The idea that no patient… I talk about the vulnerability of being in a hospital, right?

0:20:13.6 DA: That’s awful.

0:20:14.7 MM: We are all going to be in a hospital at some point in our lives, and as someone who has spent time in hospitals for various reasons. I’m sure I’ve mentioned it on the podcast, I broke my shoulder a few years ago really badly and had to undergo surgery. You’re at your most vulnerable in that moment, and that’s the moment that you probably should least worry about information security as an effect on your life, or at least that you’d want to least worry about that, worrying about my personal information in those systems, worrying about my safety while I’m laying on an operating table connected to a whole bunch of machines that are connected to a network that may or may not be vulnerable to various attacks and may or may not be compromised by various threats, and those are things you shouldn’t have to worry about. And we talk constantly about that within Scope, because you can go get a job doing pretty much anything in info sec, and you specifically, Danny, but most of us.

0:21:13.7 MM: There’s always the joke about, it’s not even a joke, that security has 0% unemployment, that any of us are eminently employable because there’s a shortage of our skill set out in the world. And so to me, the reason we talk about mission so much is really like you can go do this wherever you want, you can go work at a company that sells razors over the internet, or a Bitcoin company, or like you, financial services, vendors, a million other places. To me, if you’re gonna apply your trade, you should do it in a way that makes you feel good in the morning when you wake up, and you should be able to look yourself in the mirror and feel like more than just, “Hey, I’m making a great paycheck. I’m also contributing to something I care about.” I certainly wouldn’t have said that when I was 25, but that to me is the way I think today.

0:22:12.2 DA: There’s that, too. I just turned 40, and now that seems more reasonable to me than just going to a vendor. I mean, yeah, I’ll help them sell, but by cause and effect, that person, that company is gonna use that thing to help fix something that they need or whatever, but can you just imagine… And I think the other term that I haven’t actually said outright is the whole quotient of empathy. Can you imagine, again, for all of the things that, just between you and I, that we know in our cumulative years of experience at things, none of that helps when we’re in a hospital gown, hooked up to an EKG ’cause something is going wrong. We can’t help ourselves. For all the things that people are gonna compliment us about, about what we know and things that we’ve done, we’re done.

0:23:06.3 DA: And then, then the last thing, even people like… Well, maybe not people like us, are thinking about is, what happens? You get hit twice. You get hit twice with that awful experience, and then, “Oh, hey, by the way, your records got compromised later and now it’s a big problem for you,” or, “Hey, that machine did something that it wasn’t supposed to, and now you gotta come back in,” or whatever. So it’s very much the same thing as like when somebody makes you angry in traffic or whatever, you pay for it twice. You get angry once, and then it lives in your head twice, and now you got hit twice. It’s the same thing of like, “Yeah, why should they have to worry about that one other thing if there are people out there that are actively looking out for it?”

0:23:49.6 MM: Right, exactly. Well, and that we are those people, right? And so with that, I wanted to… We’ll pause and make a quick announcement. So, this podcast was both… I was excited to have Danny on, but also we’re going to announce that Danny has joined Scope.

0:24:03.9 DA: [chuckle] Surprise!

0:24:05.8 MM: As our new Director of Customer Success, and is going to be, and I’m segueing into the last topic I wanted to hit today. He’s going to be driving the community around our customers to make our customers both happy, but also because we are connected to so many health systems and parts of healthcare, bringing more of that community mind to each of our customers and be able to enrich their lives and make them better. Because we learned about an attack at one customer, how do we share that with the other customers in a way that makes their lives better and makes them more successful? And also how do we just make them understand that we’re here to make their mission successful? And we talk a lot inside of Scope about, that our ultimate target for improvement is not necessarily the health system, it’s the health system’s patients. We want their patients to feel more secure, because that’s what they’re after. They’re after trying to make their patients lives better, so if we can align to improve their patient’s lives through cyber security, that’s a great opportunity, and Danny is really gonna be on the front end of that.

0:25:21.7 DA: And it took somebody like Mike Murry to make me… It wasn’t a rule per se, but it was something I wasn’t gonna voluntarily go seek out and go to healthcare, but I had decided a long time ago of, where does my technical prowess not end, but taper, and then where can I jump from there with these things like talking to people and being out among people and things like that? And I had, when I worked at Gigamon, I was in customer success as a technical account manager for two and a half years, and it never once felt like a job. I loved doing that stuff so much, and I’m like, “Why don’t I just go do that for Mike?” And then I was talking to Mike about a thing and he was like, “Whoa, wait. What is it do you again? What is it you do here?” And he’s like, “Okay, cool, we need that.” And then the more I talked to his people, and now that are my people and they kept saying…

0:26:19.9 MM: Now they’re our people.

0:26:21.6 DA: Now they’re our people, about mission and things like that. Yeah, it was like, “Yeah, duh, go and do that thing.” So I’m super stoked. I haven’t even said it. I’m the one that shares, over-shares on Twitter, and I haven’t breathed a word of this over the past week, and week and a half that I’ve been here because I wanted to wait for this thing to announce it. So, yeah, that’s my thing. Especially when you go and talk to people in healthcare, they are dealing with some, honest to God, real world lives, so let’s go do that. Let’s try to go make that better and tell people about that and let people know like, “Yeah, it’s screwy but you don’t know how screwy it is,” so let’s go and spread that message and help some people while we’re at it. So I couldn’t be happier. Like this is exactly… Yes, this is a good way of starting new year.

0:27:17.8 MM: Us too, by the way. And I know you know that. With that, why don’t we just do what I always do at the end of every podcast which is where can the world find more of you? Obviously, they can now find you at Scope, but if the world wants more Danny, where do they go?

0:27:32.8 DA: Oh God, my therapist.

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0:27:37.8 DA: Listen, I love Twitter. Twitter has been… God, I don’t know where actually I would be without it, just connecting with people. So yes, I am @dakacki on Twitter. You can find me there. My DMs are always open. I love talking to people. And yes, I will over-share, I do over-share, but now I’m gonna have a lot more healthcare security content, and hopefully bring a lot of folks together. I also have done… I haven’t done it lately, but I’m gonna say it because I did it for a reason, is when I was doing a lot of podcasting and things like that, a lot of videos and stuff, I do have a channel up on YouTube where I have a lot of… I did a lot of instructional streams about how to stream, and I did a lot of interviews. My interviews with Mike and Wolf are up there. So it’s YouTube.com/secondorderchaos. And I got a lot of stuff up there. Some of it is really goofy, like me trying to build a new computer for eight hours over two nights, but yeah, Twitter is the thing. Twitter is where I… It’s how I enter the world at this moment.

0:28:37.4 MM: That’s incredible. Well, Danny, thank you for coming on. We’re gonna have you on a bunch ’cause you work here now and you’re part of the team.

0:28:44.0 DA: And I get paid to be on it now. [chuckle]

0:28:46.0 MM: Yeah, exactly. So we’re gonna use that. ‘Cause you’re a far better host than I am, but yeah, we will have you come on and do stuff and we’ll be around, but I’ll say publicly what I’ve said to you many times, excited to have you on the team and excited to continue to fight this mission and to build this with you, so welcome to Scope. And with that, thank you everybody for listening as always, and we will be back with more interesting and hopefully engaging content.

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About Danny Akacki

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Danny Akacki is a storyteller, always looking for a stage. He loves nothing more than being able to attend conferences, give talks, write blogs, and find news ways to reach as many people as he can to educate about security. For him, there is no greater satisfaction than community building. He began is career in the Blue Team, learning defense from some of the best in the business including teams at Mandiant, GE Capital, and ICEBRG. He now works in the healthcare security space as Director of Customer Success & Evangelism with Scope Security.

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